RU Omastar [QC 2/2][GP 1/1]

[Holy-Darky]

[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and screens teams. However, it struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense, and even with boosts, it still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. Meteor Beam OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune, and Volcanion after Shell Smash boosts, which otherwise check Omastar well. Surf is the preferred STAB move when Omastar is used on rain teams. Hydro Pump, on the other hand, is the better choice on screens teams due to its higher Base Power, allowing Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. Ice Beam OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade, as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on screens teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an immunity to Electric-type moves. Tornadus, Raikou, Metagross, and Toxicroak are other examples that work well on rain teams and help Omastar to break through opposing teams. If Omastar is used on screens teams, dual screens support is crucial; Klefki is a reliable dual screens setter and supports Omastar further with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams that Omastar struggles with. Other strong setup sweepers such as Linoone, Mimikyu, Galarian Slowbro, and Polteageist help Omastar overwhelm opposing teams.

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- Written by: [[Holy-Darky, 464737]]
- Quality checked by: [[GoldCat, 359771], [zizalith, 410251]]
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[Holy-Darky]

Ready for QC

 

[GoldCat]

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Omastar

View attachment 315573
[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and offense teams. However, after a Shell Smash it is still slower than common Choice Scarf users like Xurkitree, Darmanitan, and Mienshao and still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Volcanion (You go on to mention that Meteor Beam OHKOes both like I understand you mention them here because they wall Omastar once it has used up its Power Herb but newer players won't catch that nuance.) Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. In addition, Omastar struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense. Meteor Beam is a strong STAB move, that, after a Shell Smash and the extra boost of this attack, OHKOs OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune,(AC) and Volcanion, which otherwise check Omastar well. Hydro Pump allows Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. However, Surf has a perfect accuracy and at +3 or under rain with a Shell Smash boost, Surf doesn't miss these KOs that Hydro Pump gets. Ice Beam OHKOs OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Power Herb allows Omastar to bypass Meteor Beam's charge turn. Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on offense teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Tornadus is a great secondary rain setter due to its Prankster Rain Dance and it also provides U-turn support. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an Electric immunity. If Omastar is used on offense teams, a reliable dual screens setter is crucial: Klefki is a reliable screen setter and supports Omastar with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and Hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams with which Omastar struggles. Necrozma, Cobalion, and Metagross are great Stealth Rock setters on offense teams. (And in what way do they help Omastar?) Other strong setup sweepers such as Linoone, Mimikyu, and Polteageist helps Omastar to overwhelm opposing teams.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Holy-Darky, 464737]]
- Quality checked by: [[GoldCat, 359771], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

QC 1/2.

 

[Holy-Darky]

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Omastar

View attachment 315573
[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and offense teams. However, after a Shell Smash it is still slower than common Choice Scarf users like Xurkitree, Darmanitan, and Mienshao and still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Volcanion (You go on to mention that Meteor Beam OHKOes both like I understand you mention them here because they wall Omastar once it has used up its Power Herb but newer players won't catch that nuance.) Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. In addition, Omastar struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense. Meteor Beam is a strong STAB move, that, after a Shell Smash and the extra boost of this attack, OHKOs OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune,(AC) and Volcanion, which otherwise check Omastar well. Hydro Pump allows Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. However, Surf has a perfect accuracy and at +3 or under rain with a Shell Smash boost, Surf doesn't miss these KOs that Hydro Pump gets. Ice Beam OHKOs OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Power Herb allows Omastar to bypass Meteor Beam's charge turn. Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on offense teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Tornadus is a great secondary rain setter due to its Prankster Rain Dance and it also provides U-turn support. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an Electric immunity. If Omastar is used on offense teams, a reliable dual screens setter is crucial: Klefki is a reliable screen setter and supports Omastar with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and Hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams with which Omastar struggles. Necrozma, Cobalion, and Metagross are great Stealth Rock setters on offense teams. (And in what way do they help Omastar?) Other strong setup sweepers such as Linoone, Mimikyu, and Polteageist helps Omastar to overwhelm opposing teams.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Holy-Darky, 464737]]
- Quality checked by: [[GoldCat, 359771], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

QC 1/2.

Thank you very much GoldCat. Implemented and I've removed the mention about "Necrozma, Cobalion, and Metagross are great Stealth Rock setters on offense teams." because seen in retrospect offense teams should always have a Stealth Rock setter and I didn't find any KOes that Omastar gets with SR. I hope it's ok

 

[zizalith]

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[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Hydro Pump / Surf Swap the order here. Surf is generally better on rain and Swift Swim is the primary slash.
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and screens offense teams (It's really hard to justify Omastar on non screens offense over Barbaracle so be more specific.). However, after a Shell Smash it is still slower than common Choice Scarf users like Xurkitree, Darmanitan, and Mienshao (Not sure I'd include this, Omastar has reliable ways to get past them under rain / after a Weak Armor boost.) and still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. In addition, Omastar struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense (Rewrite this with the previous sentence to make 1 negatives sentence.). Meteor Beam is a strong STAB move, that, after a Shell Smash and the extra boost of this attack, OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune, and Volcanion after boosts, which otherwise check Omastar well. Hydro Pump allows Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. However, Surf has perfect accuracy and at +3 or under rain with a Shell Smash boost, Surf doesn't miss these KOs that Hydro Pump gets. Swap move order here. Ice Beam OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Power Herb allows Omastar to bypass Meteor Beam's charge turn (Dex info.). Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on screens offense teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Tornadus is a great secondary rain setter due to its Prankster Rain Dance and it also provides U-turn support. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an Electric immunity. If Omastar is used on offense teams, a reliable dual screens setter is crucial: Klefki is a reliable screen setter and supports Omastar with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and Hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams with which Omastar struggles. Other strong setup sweepers such as Linoone, Mimikyu, and Polteageist helps Omastar to overwhelm opposing teams. Include Galarian Slowbro here, sets up on Grass-types and its a good mon on screens.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Holy-Darky, 464737]]
- Quality checked by: [[GoldCat, 359771], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

Write this up and tag me for another check.

 

[Holy-Darky]

ok zizalith I've implemented your check

 

[zizalith]

Surf is the preferred STAB move, as it has no drawbacks and at +3 or under rain with a Shell Smash boost, Surf doesn't miss KOes that Hydro Pump gets such as to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. However, Hydro Pump can be used instead for more instant breaking power.

This is a bit convoluted, you should emphasize that Surf is better on rain teams specifically while Hydro Pump gets better KOs outside of it. If you're going to mention Hydro Pump on rain you should find calcs to back it up, otherwise its not worth losing 20% accuracy.

Tornadus is a great secondary rain setter due to its Prankster Rain Dance and it also provides U-turn support.

Honestly not really that experienced with Tornadus rain but making it a rain setter seems kind of wack to me. I'd rather you keep this vague, I think NP might be more worth there but you could mention it as a generic "this is a decent Pokemon on rain" and throw in like, Raikou / Metagross / Toxicroak.

QC 2/2, nice job.

 

[Holy-Darky]

This is a bit convoluted, you should emphasize that Surf is better on rain teams specifically while Hydro Pump gets better KOs outside of it. If you're going to mention Hydro Pump on rain you should find calcs to back it up, otherwise its not worth losing 20% accuracy.

Honestly not really that experienced with Tornadus rain but making it a rain setter seems kind of wack to me. I'd rather you keep this vague, I think NP might be more worth there but you could mention it as a generic "this is a decent Pokemon on rain" and throw in like, Raikou / Metagross / Toxicroak.

QC 2/2, nice job.

Thank you very much zizalith. Implemented and ready for GP

 

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[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and screens teams. However, it struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense. and Even with boosts, it still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. Meteor Beam OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune, and Volcanion after Shell Smash boosts, which otherwise check Omastar well. Surf is the preferred STAB move when Omastar is used on rain teams. Hydro Pump, on the other hand, is the better choice on screens teams due to its higher Base Power, allowing Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. Ice Beam OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade, (AC) as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on screens teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an Electric immunity immunity to Electric-type moves. Tornadus, Raikou, Metagross, and Toxicroak are other examples that work well on rain teams and help Omastar to break through opposing teams. If Omastar is used on offense teams, a reliable dual screens setter is crucial: Klefki is a reliable screen setter and supports Omastar with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams with which Omastar struggles. Other strong setup sweepers, (AC) such as Linoone, Mimikyu, Galarian Slowbro, and Polteageist, (AC) helps Omastar to overwhelm opposing teams.

 

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[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and screens teams. However, it struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense. and Even with boosts, it still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. Meteor Beam OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune, and Volcanion after Shell Smash boosts, which otherwise check Omastar well. Surf is the preferred STAB move when Omastar is used on rain teams. Hydro Pump, on the other hand, is the better choice on screens teams due to its higher Base Power, allowing Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. Ice Beam OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade, (AC) as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on screens teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an Electric immunity immunity to Electric-type moves. Tornadus, Raikou, Metagross, and Toxicroak are other examples that work well on rain teams and help Omastar to break through opposing teams. If Omastar is used on offense teams, a reliable dual screens setter is crucial: Klefki is a reliable screen setter and supports Omastar with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams with which Omastar struggles. Other strong setup sweepers, (AC) such as Linoone, Mimikyu, Galarian Slowbro, and Polteageist, (AC) helps Omastar to overwhelm opposing teams.

Thank you very much AV Cosmoem. I've implemented all of them besides:

However, it struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense. and Even with boosts, it still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax.

because zizalith said I should make one negative sentence, so I'm unsure if I can implement this.

 

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[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and screens teams. However, it struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense, (AC) and even with boosts, it still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. Meteor Beam OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune, and Volcanion after Shell Smash boosts, which otherwise check Omastar well. Surf is the preferred STAB move when Omastar is used on rain teams. Hydro Pump, on the other hand, is the better choice on screens teams due to its higher Base Power, allowing Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. Ice Beam OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade, as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on screens teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an immunity to Electric-type moves. Tornadus, Raikou, Metagross, and Toxicroak are other examples that work well on rain teams and help Omastar to break through opposing teams. If Omastar is used on offense (do you mean hyper offense?) teams, a reliable dual screens setter support (lessens repetition) is crucial; (colon -> semicolon) Klefki is a reliable dual screens setter and supports Omastar further with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams with which that Omastar struggles with. Other strong setup sweepers such as Linoone, Mimikyu, Galarian Slowbro, and Polteageist, (RC) help Omastar overwhelm opposing teams.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Holy-Darky, 464737]]
- Quality checked by: [[GoldCat, 359771], [zizalith, 410251]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

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[Holy-Darky]

If Omastar is used on offense (do you mean hyper offense?) teams, [...]

I changed it to "screens teams" as it is the other specific team I've mention at the beginning.

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[SET]
name: Setup Sweeper
move 1: Shell Smash
move 2: Meteor Beam
move 3: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Power Herb
ability: Swift Swim / Weak Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Omastar has a niche in RU as a strong Shell Smash sweeper on both rain and screens teams. However, it struggles to find setup opportunities due to its typing and poor Special Defense, (AC) and even with boosts, it still slightly struggles to break through some bulky Pokemon such as Assault Vest Reuniclus, Gastrodon, and Snorlax. Meteor Beam OHKOes bulky Water-types such as Milotic, Suicune, and Volcanion after Shell Smash boosts, which otherwise check Omastar well. Surf is the preferred STAB move when Omastar is used on rain teams. Hydro Pump, on the other hand, is the better choice on screens teams due to its higher Base Power, allowing Omastar to OHKO bulky Metagross and offensive Necrozma as well as 2HKO Registeel and Snorlax. Ice Beam OHKOes many Dragon- and Grass-types such as Noivern, Zarude, and Roserade, as well as Dragalge and Toxicroak after some chip damage. Swift Swim is the ability of choice if Omastar is used on rain teams, while Weak Armor has more use on screens teams.

Politoed is a necessary teammate if Omastar is used on rain teams. Seismitoad and Kingdra are strong rain sweepers, which help Omastar to overwhelm bulky Pokemon such as Milotic, Registeel, and Assault Vest Reuniclus. In addition, Seismitoad also provides Stealth Rock support and an immunity to Electric-type moves. Tornadus, Raikou, Metagross, and Toxicroak are other examples that work well on rain teams and help Omastar to break through opposing teams. If Omastar is used on offense (do you mean hyper offense?) teams, a reliable dual screens setter support (lessens repetition) is crucial; (colon -> semicolon) Klefki is a reliable dual screens setter and supports Omastar further with Spikes. Vanilluxe has Aurora Veil and can either weaken or defeat bulky Water-types such as Seismitoad, Milotic, and Suicune with Freeze-Dry and hail damage. In addition, Arctozolt can be used alongside Vanilluxe as a strong wallbreaker, which breaks through bulky teams with which that Omastar struggles with. Other strong setup sweepers such as Linoone, Mimikyu, Galarian Slowbro, and Polteageist, (RC) help Omastar overwhelm opposing teams.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Holy-Darky, 464737]]
- Quality checked by: [[GoldCat, 359771], [zizalith, 410251]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

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Thank you very much, Estronic. Implemented and done